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    Posted: July 06 2005 at 2:56pm

One of the realities of life is that what goes around comes around. This concept is played out in almost every religious text and in every culture around the planet.

I've known and worked with Madi for years, off and on. She is a lovely soul, but with many demons. I was on the receiving end of those demons when I worked with her, and it's a shame, since she's one of the greatest singers I've ever heard.

I don't know Will apart from his playing, but everything he's said is consistent with the Madi I know. Her biggest problem is that she's a terrible bandleader and has a difficult time translating a coherent concept to a band. She needs to be guided. I'm sad that she's always been paired with jive people like Yves Beauvais, and pop-minded people like Klein. Obviously, her records are successful, but I think she could do something outside this poppy-jazz realm that would propel her higher.

But aside from all that, just know that Madi has a terrible rep amongst musicians in New York. She's screwed over practically everyone she's worked with, yet no one disputes her talent. When she sings, all is OK in the world. But the other stuff makes it a drag to be around her. It's no surprise she fell off the map after Dreamland. I heard her curse out interviewers, saw her publicly humiliate promoters onstage, and other things I won't even get into. I did some gigs with her at the beginning of the GYOMM thing, and I knew the deal from the get-go. Of course, the personal element of it all didn't help. But since all that, Will's rep has only gotten better, because even if people don't know him, they know Madi, and to a person, no musician believes Madi is anything other than in the wrong in this matter.

Madi has sown a lot of bad stuff, and I'm afraid that all the record sales in the world aren't going to absolve her from them. All I hope is that she takes her lumps, as we all have, and learns from this and becomes a better person. If she can become half the good person that she is a singer, she'll qualify for sainthood.

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  Quote Byron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 4:03pm
The woman I know would stand by her family in a time of crisis at the expense of a career jump.  And could  pump so much faith into a soul at low ebb  that the energy of it still continues.. And thats all of my personal knowledge I wish to disclose. A wonderful singer, and a lot more.
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  Quote Amelie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 4:56pm
Slater. In idiomatic english "to slate" someone is to deride, to slander, to
"diss" someone, to talk badly about them. Well Slater - you well and truly
slated her. I am wandering what your intent is here. Was it really to
reveal truth? What is truth anyway? Or was it to get something off of your
own chest in some way to get a little vengence for being on the receiving
end of what you term as Madi's demons. You certainly shared some of
your own perspectives - which are valid as far as they go - but let's face it
at the end of the day they are your perspectives.

Sure Madeliene has her demons, don't we all? AND yes I am sure she had
made mistakes along the way, at times treated people in a manner which
isn't so great. Again haven't we all? Unfortunately, the price (and the
dividend) of success in the music industry is fame. And the price of fame
is that everyone wants a little piece of you. Worse still everyone feels they
have the right to put every aspect of your life under a microscope. The
pressures must be immense. Very few of us will ever know what this is
like. AND yet we are so cavalier in adding to those pressures by gossip,
speculation and an insatiable apetite to want to know more.

I am a great fan of Madeleine's and as a result regularly follow this
website BUT I have been endlessly perplexed by the righteousness with
which some members feel that they can demand to know all. As if it is a
right. We commodotise the individual that we actually seek to support.
Frankly I have been impressed with the manner in which Madeleine has
refrained from getting embroiled in the dialogue which has unravelled in
this forum. She has quite rightly remained above it not fuelling the fire
and has followed due legal process.

I am not doubting that some of the things you say have a basis, but, as
we all know - we all are multi-dimensional beings and have many
characteristics. Here you are only illuminating a fraction of Madeleine's
character and as Byron's comments attest - she has a profound character
and is clearly a committed and passionate young woman - who has
placed her family above her career.

You say that Madeleine has "a terrible rep among muscians... and that no
musician believes that Madi is anything in the wrong" - can you really say
this. While you may have been aware of the deal from the "get go" - you
are not party to the ongoing private conversations since then or the
details of other contractual agreements etc.. So are you really in a
position to make these claims? William has been extremely vocal in
presenting his case, but, he can hardly be called objective. Madeliene
may have sown some bad stuff, however, I come back to my original point
- haven't we all at some point? More to point Madeliene has also sown
some really beautiful and wonderful stuff both in her personal life and
professionally.   I for sure am for every thankful for the little bit of beauty
she has brought into my life through sharing her talent. I have listened to
her interviews and in this forum we have a whole host of people who talk
of a soul that has great integrity and is a joy and pleasure to be around.
Even William does not attempt to deride Madeleine in the way you have -
you must have an axe to grind!

Perhaps, as Madeleine matures and she stays committed to the things she
believes in - she will address and vanquish some of those demons and
maybe then will qualify for that sainthood you talk about.

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