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  Quote baranroma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2005 at 4:49am
To answer you question Amelie, yes I do. But I also
believe in a thing called reason. And it’s perfectly
reasonable to think, if not proven countless times,
that ‘talent’ does not necessarily go hand in hand
with ‘niceness’. William and Slater (and a couple of
other early posters) say they are speaking from
personal experience so I think I’ll take their word over
an ‘oh but aren’t we all’ (actually we are not)
counter-argument in the name of ‘fairness’. But they
aren’t going to make me enjoy Madi’s music
less—nor anyone with talent on the receiving end of
personal criticism who, by choice, plays in the public
arena.
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  Quote Byron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 8:05pm
 Well put Amelie. And a good direction for this forum. Safe vibes go out to Madi, traveling in France and England.in these dangerous times!
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  Quote Amelie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 4:39pm
I am far from suggesting Madi should be promoted to sainthood. My comment was "toungue in cheek" simply using Slater's language and my comment was laced with irony. I do see how what I said could be misinterpreted.

What I am saying is that we are all multi-dimensional people, with both negative and positive aspects to our personalties (thank god) And this is what makes us human. I don't think that this site should be a place only for adoration. It should be a forum for debate and critique and there is merit in discussing every aspect of a performers music and their music.

But, I do believe in fairness and presenting a balanced view. Don't you?

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  Quote baranroma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 4:08pm
Just because Madi is a ‘great’ talent, why on earth do
you think it just to promote her to sainthood? (Poor
girl, what a responsibility) By all accounts even
Mozart himself was a right pain in the arse…yet
no-one, at least no-one with any intelligence, thinks
any less of his music for it. The trappings of public
adoration; Unfortunately those that go for it (and
those that adore them) need to accept the fact that
their private life (and public appearances) WILL be
put under a microscope—that’s just the reality of the
world we live in (and the pay off for fame). I presume
Madi is not so naïve that she feels she is immune
from the same sort of scrutiny that confronts anyone
in the public eye….or otherwise she would still be
doing her thing on the streets.

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  Quote Amelie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 4:56pm
Slater. In idiomatic english "to slate" someone is to deride, to slander, to
"diss" someone, to talk badly about them. Well Slater - you well and truly
slated her. I am wandering what your intent is here. Was it really to
reveal truth? What is truth anyway? Or was it to get something off of your
own chest in some way to get a little vengence for being on the receiving
end of what you term as Madi's demons. You certainly shared some of
your own perspectives - which are valid as far as they go - but let's face it
at the end of the day they are your perspectives.

Sure Madeliene has her demons, don't we all? AND yes I am sure she had
made mistakes along the way, at times treated people in a manner which
isn't so great. Again haven't we all? Unfortunately, the price (and the
dividend) of success in the music industry is fame. And the price of fame
is that everyone wants a little piece of you. Worse still everyone feels they
have the right to put every aspect of your life under a microscope. The
pressures must be immense. Very few of us will ever know what this is
like. AND yet we are so cavalier in adding to those pressures by gossip,
speculation and an insatiable apetite to want to know more.

I am a great fan of Madeleine's and as a result regularly follow this
website BUT I have been endlessly perplexed by the righteousness with
which some members feel that they can demand to know all. As if it is a
right. We commodotise the individual that we actually seek to support.
Frankly I have been impressed with the manner in which Madeleine has
refrained from getting embroiled in the dialogue which has unravelled in
this forum. She has quite rightly remained above it not fuelling the fire
and has followed due legal process.

I am not doubting that some of the things you say have a basis, but, as
we all know - we all are multi-dimensional beings and have many
characteristics. Here you are only illuminating a fraction of Madeleine's
character and as Byron's comments attest - she has a profound character
and is clearly a committed and passionate young woman - who has
placed her family above her career.

You say that Madeleine has "a terrible rep among muscians... and that no
musician believes that Madi is anything in the wrong" - can you really say
this. While you may have been aware of the deal from the "get go" - you
are not party to the ongoing private conversations since then or the
details of other contractual agreements etc.. So are you really in a
position to make these claims? William has been extremely vocal in
presenting his case, but, he can hardly be called objective. Madeliene
may have sown some bad stuff, however, I come back to my original point
- haven't we all at some point? More to point Madeliene has also sown
some really beautiful and wonderful stuff both in her personal life and
professionally.   I for sure am for every thankful for the little bit of beauty
she has brought into my life through sharing her talent. I have listened to
her interviews and in this forum we have a whole host of people who talk
of a soul that has great integrity and is a joy and pleasure to be around.
Even William does not attempt to deride Madeleine in the way you have -
you must have an axe to grind!

Perhaps, as Madeleine matures and she stays committed to the things she
believes in - she will address and vanquish some of those demons and
maybe then will qualify for that sainthood you talk about.






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