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  Quote Amelie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Got Truth On My Mind
    Posted: July 13 2005 at 3:01pm
The mens rea and the actus reus are the two essential elements to a criminal action ... (I thought this originally was a civil law suit !!!) The nature of mens rea (what you call evil intent)does differ as does differ as does the impact of the action of those who harbour and act on evil intent. Come on William seeking to screw somebody unfairly out of money or indeed a libelous law suit (as you claim the physical & verbal abuse accusation is) is NOT the same as seeking to murder.

I have re-read my post. Perhaps in your view their is faulty logic - BUT the only hyperbole that I can detect in any of these posts is in the passionate association that both you and Judith make in referencing this suit with events of global terrorism. Yes you may have been defamed / you have been personally injured BY this action. I honestly try and sympathise with your situation and wish you luck in resolving this situation in a way that is fair BUT my bleeding heart has run dry... and I cannot take you seriously if you continue to such comparisons. Tread carefully William and go safely.
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  Quote willgalison Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2005 at 12:01pm
Amelie,

Your letter to Judith is so riddled with faulty logic and hyperbole
that I won't waste either of our time to respond to all your
"points'. I will let Judith dispatch with that if she feels like it.

However I would like to post the part of my original posting that
I deleted, because you are claiming that it drew a "parallel"
between the bombings and this situation.

"The recent horrible bombings in London put this row about
GYOMM in perspective. "

That is all I wrote and all I deleted. It may have been insensitive
to mention London, but I stand by the sentiment.

I was fundamentally contrasting the two events, not equating
them. The only "paralell" I drew between these two situations is
that evil intent is evil intent. As Judith properly understood, I
was saying that bad people do bad things and how far they go
usually depends on how much they can get away with. By "bad
people" I mean people who will maliciously harm others to
serve their own ends. I stand by that.

Greenberg falsely acccused me of a crime and claimed to have
evidence. He put me in the position of having to defend my
reputation and livelyhood, at tremendous cost and effort. I
would rather be making music.

Greenberg could as easily accused you of a crime and you
would be forced to do the same.

It is easy for a lawyer to say he has evidence of a crime, even if
does not. That's what Joseph MaCarthy did to great effect in the
50's. He waved pieces of paper in the air and destroyed
thousands of lives.

The ignorant majority went along with this villian, but a few
heroes stood up to him and said "show us the evidence". He
couldn't .

I say to Greenberg "put up or shut up". If you have evidence,
show it. If you don't, admit you don't and take your lumps.

Lack of evidence does not prove that I did not abuse Madi- it is
impossible to prove a negative. But it does prove that
Greenberg is a liar, because he wrote “Over the course of this
year, we have obtained directly and from Ms. Peyroux,
evidence of numerous incidents of physically and verbally
abusive behavior by Mr. Galison against Ms. Peyroux."

Since it was Greenberg who made the accusation, it is
Greenberg's responsibility to show the evidence. Otherwise, we
are back in Salem.

You are welcome to contact me (as Judith did) to ask for any
documentation that would satisfy your concern that I am a
dangerous abuser on the loose.

Meanwhile, I invite anybody who has any evidence of my
abusing Madi in any way, to publish it on this site (or anywhere
else), as long as you furnish your true name and contact info.
That way your story can be checked at a deposition, under
oath.

This is not a "he says, she says" It is a "he says, she can't say
because she will get herself into deeper s**t."


best,


Will Galison.


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  Quote Amelie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 9:56pm
Judith

I too did not really want to become drawn into yet more discussions here.
However, given the time you have taken I feel obliged to respond.

Firstly, it seems that perhaps you did not read the posts at the time they
were originally posted. My response was to William’s original post last
Friday when he made reference and drew a parallel with the Terrorist
Bomb attacks in London. I pointed out (as you read) that these events
were not comparable by any stretch of the imagination to the acts of
corporate giants trying to monopolise marketing rights etc of the
Madeleine brand. Surely you must agree with this. William seemed to be
in agreement and amended his post accordingly. This is the text you are
able to read today.

I find your post interesting as in many respects it demonstrates clearly
the very point I was trying to make – that interpretation of the truth is
relative in that it very much depends on context and perception. You
read my own post and quoted me as “defending rounder” and making “a
fuss” because William paraphrased one of my sentences and you refer to
Madeleine’s potential demise if she follows “my advice”.   I do not defend
Rounder in my post (that was your interpretation), nor did I make a fuss, I
simply made an illustrative point of how easy it is to present a different
perspective through different use of language and interpretation of what
people have said. AND I do not recollect offering anyone any advice!   
However, I guess my words are open to interpretation!

From what I have read in these posts and in the articles by jazz police
etc.. the difficulty of much of the current legal battle under disucssion is
that so much of it is based on verbal and oral agreements, words which
are so open to interpretation. Particularly, as they are coloured by the
passage of time.

I believe implicitly in justice and in fighting impunity, so in so many
respects I sympathise with Williams endeavour.   However, I also
recognize that I and probably no other person reading or participating in
this forum other than William and Madeleine herself have sufficient
information to make a balanced or fair judgement. We have one half of
the story. William’s. Perhaps Madeleine and her agent have not been
wise in failing to comment or going more public with their side of the
story. However, we cannot speculate based on partial information. I
therefore refrain from passing judgment either way.

You are quite right that the claim of physical and verbal abuse is a very
serious one. I would agree with you and Suzy on this and I wholly agree
that impact of battery, mental anguish and abuse are profound.
Accusations of such kind must be treated with the most extreme gravity.
I must again however, point out that there are only two people who truly
know what transpired between William and Madeleine and that is they
themselves. We have only William’s representations here. Again I would
not dare to comment on such a serious issue with only partial
information.

I am surprised that you so readily accept everything that William posts
and from this alone draw your conclusions and opine that Madeleine “has
the remnants of a conscience” and on the basis of evidence from one side
alone conclude that the “accusations of abuse are entirely contrived and
malicious”.   How can you possibly conclude this? Who is being simple
minded here? I am glad you are not my legal counsel here or worse yet a
presiding judge. “Let’s not hear the counsel for the prosecution of I have
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  Quote Amelie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 8:52pm
William,   thanks for amending your post.   Although I follow your line of
argument that all perpetrators of crimes are individuals who fail to take
responsibility for their action and pursue their own agenda's at the cost
and injury of others - I will never be able to make comparisons here
between the action of gross violations of human rights and effectively
mass murder (which was ther content of your original post) and the action
of lawyers and commercial record companies suing over rights to
distribute - which from my understanding of your postings was the
original nature of this lawsuit. It may have taken a slightly different
direction now. I guess this is where we may agree to disagree and where
you and I will have different perspectives on this.

In the meantime congratulations on the recent reviews of GYOMM which
you recently posted. All well deserved.

Amicably - Amelie
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  Quote judith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2005 at 5:43pm
Amelie,

I had hoped to keep out of this discussion, but I simply cannot let your post go unanswered. Mr. Galison is a gentleman not to respond more fully and I commend his restraint.

Mr. Galison begins his posting by specifically stating that the offenses against him “pale in comparison” to some other crimes.  He correctly states that the impulses behind all evil acts are similar, regardless of their scale.  One can say that domestic abuse, for example, pales in comparison to the events of 9/11, but the impulse behind these acts are the same; the objectification and abuse of one or more human being by another. The scale of  9/11 does not lessen the damage to a battered woman or mitigate the batterer's guilt. In fact, the greatest evils always develop out of lesser ones that go unchecked.

You defend Rounder and Mr. Greenburg as “simply trying to have exclusive promotion rights of the Madeleine Brand - which happens all the time in the music industry”.  Are you really saying that their actions are excusable because their motivation is simple or because they happen all the time?

I must say, that is idiocy. Many horrible crimes have simple motivations. Many horrible crimes happen all the time. It is neither the motivation nor the frequency of actions that make them evil, it is the means.

Falsely accusing a person of a crime such as physical abuse is particularly heinous for the reasons Suzelliott explained, among many others. It can destroy a person’s professional and personal life, putting them under a shadow of suspicion and disdain for the rest of their lives.

If Mr. Galison physically abused Ms. Peyroux, he should be in mandatory rehabilitation or in prison.

If Mr. Greenburg falsely accused Mr. Galison of physical abuse simply to intimidate and disgrace him for the sake of profit, he should be in rehabilitation or prison and he should certainly be disbarred immediately. 

I don’t know if you have either a reputation or a profession,  but if someone in your field falsely accused you of say, child molestation, and published this accusation amongst your peers, you would not say this allegation is “relatively true” or “relatively false".  You would not say it is a “matter of perspective”. You would do everything in your power to discredit them and redeem your reputation. My goodness, you raised a fuss because Mr. Galison paraphrased one sentence of your posting. I can only imagine what you would do if someone accused you of a serious crime!

Mr. Greenburg and Ms. Peyroux continue to assert that Mr. Galison is guilty of abuse, and presumably continue to spread this accusation. The only reason they would hesitate from “warning” people about Mr. Galison is that they know they will be held to account for false accusations.

Rounder used this website to discredit Mr. Galison and the record you are enjoying. It is only appropriate that Mr. Galison should use the same venue to defend himself. Posting Ms. Peyroux’s correspondence is an effective way to counter Mr. Greenburg’s allegations.  To me, they actually put Ms. Peyroux in a more sympathetic light as they reveal her appreciation of Mr. Galison and at least the remnants of a conscience. They also reaffirm my conviction that the accusations of abuse are entirely contrived and malicious.

Madeleine’s true friends will counsel her to do the moral, honest thing, and to strive to get her out of serious trouble and disgrace, even if this requires public reprimand and embarrassment. Mr. Galison's friends will do the same.

When Mr. Galison wrote “where will they stop”, he was implying the obvious and ominous. If Mr. Greenburg’s law firm and Rounder are willing to destroy<
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  Quote willgalison Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2005 at 5:32am
Amelie.

You are right. I was wrong to mention the momentous
events of this past week in refernce to this discussion. I have
removed that reference from my post.

Despite having paraphrased your "haven't we
all?" statement , all the other quotes in my posts are verbatim,
and the original sources available to anyone who would iike to
see them.

Re Madi's emails, I will continue to counter devastating false
accusations with embarrassing true facts.

Finally, GYOMM would not be available at all if I had not
brought Madi & co to federal court at tremendous expense to
all concerned. It was only in front of the judge that Madi
admitted that she was not the sole owner of GYOMM, which
allowed me to find a distributor.

Apart from announcing the website of documents, I will refrain
from writing to this forum again unless compelled to defend or
clarify my position.

Thanks all.

William



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  Quote Byron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2005 at 7:05pm
Can't really improve on or add much to Amelie's statement. Very important point that the larger evils are upon us. Energy lost here in this ongoing wrangle is lost for that larger fight. If it can't be settled out of court, best to rest the arguments until that time. We need to be alert for these larger issues. They are not coming. They are here.
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  Quote Amelie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2005 at 6:34pm
William

I have total respect for you as a muscian. I love gyomm. I sympathise
with your position, I recognise that in your view you are fighting the good
fight. I respect the fact that in all of this - as you are trying desperately
to represent your own case, get what you want and to battle against
corporate giants - you have tried as far as you can to preserve in some
distored way your respect for Madi. You have tried to show your
continuing faith for her and seperate out in this battle the difference
between her and rounder, however, you have revealed details you should
never have revealed.

AND as for mentioning your own law suit and the actions of rounder /
herbst / lawyers etc in the same sentence as the actions of terrorists is
beyond ridicule and verges on idiotic. How you can compare terrorist
activities with the actions of lawyers and record companies which are
simply trying to have exclusive promotion rights of the Madeleine Brand -
which happens all the time in the music industry, is beyond me. It is
cheap and sensationalist - poor show William. I thought you were more
intelligent than this.

Isn't it, also, a little presumptous to say Madi's friends in supporting her
are not friends. Maybe here you were just referring to the lawyers and
Rounder - but how can you say this.   I guess your logic here is that your
own friends supporting you in this debacle are good friends, but,
Madeleine's are not - because you are right ? Is that it? Well that is an
interpretation. We create our own realities and truth is relative - defined
by our specific perspectives. If Slater is a true friend - why the need to so
publicly air the dirt. What is the objective in this? You can acknowledge
that your friends have done some reprehensible friends and in seeking to
guide them advise and be frank BUT publicly denouncing somone helps
no one unless you want to see someone fall. Friends let their friends fall
BUT not in public - you sheild and protect and help. I am sorry, Slater
may well have been balanced in recognising Madeleine's talent, but, his
personal tirade - were not the words of a friend.

William when I read the opening of your post I actually thought you may
have said, something to the effect of due the events in London - you
realise that your own legal battles pale into insignificance in the face of
such barbaric acts and to gracefull bow out and stop these plaintive
posts. BUT no ... and then you post personal correspondence between
you and Madeleine. Will you stop at nothing here?

As a muscian I support and delight in your work. I have very easily
bought GYOMM and have given it to friends as gifts. I have no problem
getting hold of it. If I can buy it easily - how blocked can it be. I will
continue to promote in my own little way this little gem of a recording -
however, I really don't want to have to be party to the ongoing wranglings
that you keep exposing us to. Nor do I think it appropriate or particularly
noble to continue to through mud in the manner that you have.

I sincerely wish you all of the very best in your career as I do Madeleine
and I sincerely hope that you are able to resolve this issue in a manner
that does not end up damaging you both.

Let the music play on.

Warmly,   Amelie

Incidentally, if you had read my post carefully you will see that I did not
say "haven't we all done what Madeleine has done?"

I said "AND yes I am sure she had made mistakes along the way, at times
treated people in a manner which isn't so great. Again
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  Quote willgalison Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2005 at 3:38pm
Dear Friends,

Although I am the person most affected by Madeleine’s actions,
I fully recognize that these actions pale in comparison to
crimes and injustices that devastate people’s lives every day.

However there is a common denominator shared by these acts,
regardless of their severity: Their perpetrators are people who
are unwilling to take responsibility for there actions and to
redeem themselves- who will pursue their ends despite the
harm they cause others.

Rounder, Greenberg and Madi have likely spent hundreds of
thousands of dollars to avoid the consequences of their
actions. Where would they stop? Suzelliott’s post shows how
destructive these actions can be to battered women. Anyone
with brains can see that their actions damage small record
companies and independent artists.

Despite Geoff’s naive idealism, the only thing that will stop
these people is our flawed court system. By the end of this
protracted, humiliating and expensive legal process, the same
facts that I have asserted for the past two years will be
confirmed by a jury and become a permanent mark on the
reputations of Madeleine, Rounder and their colleagues,

There are fans of Madi who would believe she was innocent of
any wrong doing even if she confesses to it. There are still
people who maintain that OJ Simpson was innocent or that
global warming does not exist.

These people are “true believers” who place the myths that
comfort them before the facts that stare them in the face. As the
saying goes, “you are entitled to your own opinion but not to
your own facts.” The facts are plain and available and
essentially unchallenged. Madi’s colleagues largely don’t deny
the allegations against them - they merely say that their actions
are technically not illegal.

For example, one of Greenberg’s defenses against the libel
charge is that even if his accusations of physical abuse are
untrue, they cannot damage my reputation because it is
already so bad. Okay. but I must be a damn good harmonica
player if Barbra Streisand risks her life to work with me.

This is why Madeleine and her thuggish companions can’t say
a thing about this case publically. Their explanations may fly in
legal court, but they won’t fly in the court of public opinion and
common sense.

I agree with “slater”: what goes around comes around, Karma is
subtle, and often takes its time, but “as you sow, so shall you
reap” wasn’t uttered by a complete fool. Regardless of the
outcome of the trial, Madeleine will have to live with the
knowledge of how she harmed others and “sold her soul” to
further her career. The tragedy is that Madi didn't have to sell
her soul to become a star. Had she been honest and loyal and
decent, her talent would have been at least as celebrated and
she wouldn't be going through this legal and emotional
nightmare.

Madeleine’s “friends” who blindly support her in this situation
are not friends at all. They have some other agenda and are
willing to see Madi go over the waterfall with Greenberg and
his gang. The people who reach out to Madi to guide her wisely
are her true friends whether she likes them or not. I am proud to
be in that category, along with “slater”. It is possible to admire
Madeleine as a singer, love her as a person, and still
acknowledge that she has done truly reprehensible things. The
key is to have faith that a person will grow and learn. I have lots
of faith in Madi, but little for Greenberg and Herbst and the
owners of Rounder. These guys are hard-boiled.
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  Quote Byron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2005 at 5:42am
I've been speaking from personal experience , also. So you might want to re-check my postings.
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