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Amelie
Groupie Joined: July 06 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 15 |
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Topic: Got Truth On My Mind Posted: July 13 2005 at 3:01pm |
The mens rea and the actus reus are the two essential elements to a criminal action ... (I thought this originally was a civil law suit !!!) The nature of mens rea (what you call evil intent)does differ as does differ as does the impact of the action of those who harbour and act on evil intent. Come on William seeking to screw somebody unfairly out of money or indeed a libelous law suit (as you claim the physical & verbal abuse accusation is) is NOT the same as seeking to murder.
I have re-read my post. Perhaps in your view their is faulty logic - BUT the only hyperbole that I can detect in any of these posts is in the passionate association that both you and Judith make in referencing this suit with events of global terrorism. Yes you may have been defamed / you have been personally injured BY this action. I honestly try and sympathise with your situation and wish you luck in resolving this situation in a way that is fair BUT my bleeding heart has run dry... and I cannot take you seriously if you continue to such comparisons. Tread carefully William and go safely. |
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willgalison
New Member Joined: April 22 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 25 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 13 2005 at 12:01pm |
Amelie,
Your letter to Judith is so riddled with faulty logic and hyperbole that I won't waste either of our time to respond to all your "points'. I will let Judith dispatch with that if she feels like it. However I would like to post the part of my original posting that I deleted, because you are claiming that it drew a "parallel" between the bombings and this situation. "The recent horrible bombings in London put this row about GYOMM in perspective. " That is all I wrote and all I deleted. It may have been insensitive to mention London, but I stand by the sentiment. I was fundamentally contrasting the two events, not equating them. The only "paralell" I drew between these two situations is that evil intent is evil intent. As Judith properly understood, I was saying that bad people do bad things and how far they go usually depends on how much they can get away with. By "bad people" I mean people who will maliciously harm others to serve their own ends. I stand by that. Greenberg falsely acccused me of a crime and claimed to have evidence. He put me in the position of having to defend my reputation and livelyhood, at tremendous cost and effort. I would rather be making music. Greenberg could as easily accused you of a crime and you would be forced to do the same. It is easy for a lawyer to say he has evidence of a crime, even if does not. That's what Joseph MaCarthy did to great effect in the 50's. He waved pieces of paper in the air and destroyed thousands of lives. The ignorant majority went along with this villian, but a few heroes stood up to him and said "show us the evidence". He couldn't . I say to Greenberg "put up or shut up". If you have evidence, show it. If you don't, admit you don't and take your lumps. Lack of evidence does not prove that I did not abuse Madi- it is impossible to prove a negative. But it does prove that Greenberg is a liar, because he wrote “Over the course of this year, we have obtained directly and from Ms. Peyroux, evidence of numerous incidents of physically and verbally abusive behavior by Mr. Galison against Ms. Peyroux." Since it was Greenberg who made the accusation, it is Greenberg's responsibility to show the evidence. Otherwise, we are back in Salem. You are welcome to contact me (as Judith did) to ask for any documentation that would satisfy your concern that I am a dangerous abuser on the loose. Meanwhile, I invite anybody who has any evidence of my abusing Madi in any way, to publish it on this site (or anywhere else), as long as you furnish your true name and contact info. That way your story can be checked at a deposition, under oath. This is not a "he says, she says" It is a "he says, she can't say because she will get herself into deeper s**t." best, Will Galison. Edited by willgalison |
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Amelie
Groupie Joined: July 06 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 15 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 12 2005 at 9:56pm |
Judith
I too did not really want to become drawn into yet more discussions here. However, given the time you have taken I feel obliged to respond. Firstly, it seems that perhaps you did not read the posts at the time they were originally posted. My response was to William’s original post last Friday when he made reference and drew a parallel with the Terrorist Bomb attacks in London. I pointed out (as you read) that these events were not comparable by any stretch of the imagination to the acts of corporate giants trying to monopolise marketing rights etc of the Madeleine brand. Surely you must agree with this. William seemed to be in agreement and amended his post accordingly. This is the text you are able to read today. I find your post interesting as in many respects it demonstrates clearly the very point I was trying to make – that interpretation of the truth is relative in that it very much depends on context and perception. You read my own post and quoted me as “defending rounder” and making “a fuss” because William paraphrased one of my sentences and you refer to Madeleine’s potential demise if she follows “my advice”. I do not defend Rounder in my post (that was your interpretation), nor did I make a fuss, I simply made an illustrative point of how easy it is to present a different perspective through different use of language and interpretation of what people have said. AND I do not recollect offering anyone any advice! However, I guess my words are open to interpretation! From what I have read in these posts and in the articles by jazz police etc.. the difficulty of much of the current legal battle under disucssion is that so much of it is based on verbal and oral agreements, words which are so open to interpretation. Particularly, as they are coloured by the passage of time. I believe implicitly in justice and in fighting impunity, so in so many respects I sympathise with Williams endeavour. However, I also recognize that I and probably no other person reading or participating in this forum other than William and Madeleine herself have sufficient information to make a balanced or fair judgement. We have one half of the story. William’s. Perhaps Madeleine and her agent have not been wise in failing to comment or going more public with their side of the story. However, we cannot speculate based on partial information. I therefore refrain from passing judgment either way. You are quite right that the claim of physical and verbal abuse is a very serious one. I would agree with you and Suzy on this and I wholly agree that impact of battery, mental anguish and abuse are profound. Accusations of such kind must be treated with the most extreme gravity. I must again however, point out that there are only two people who truly know what transpired between William and Madeleine and that is they themselves. We have only William’s representations here. Again I would not dare to comment on such a serious issue with only partial information. I am surprised that you so readily accept everything that William posts and from this alone draw your conclusions and opine that Madeleine “has the remnants of a conscience” and on the basis of evidence from one side alone conclude that the “accusations of abuse are entirely contrived and malicious”. How can you possibly conclude this? Who is being simple minded here? I am glad you are not my legal counsel here or worse yet a presiding judge. “Let’s not hear the counsel for the prosecution of I have |
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Amelie
Groupie Joined: July 06 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 15 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 12 2005 at 8:52pm |
William, thanks for amending your post. Although I follow your line of
argument that all perpetrators of crimes are individuals who fail to take responsibility for their action and pursue their own agenda's at the cost and injury of others - I will never be able to make comparisons here between the action of gross violations of human rights and effectively mass murder (which was ther content of your original post) and the action of lawyers and commercial record companies suing over rights to distribute - which from my understanding of your postings was the original nature of this lawsuit. It may have taken a slightly different direction now. I guess this is where we may agree to disagree and where you and I will have different perspectives on this. In the meantime congratulations on the recent reviews of GYOMM which you recently posted. All well deserved. Amicably - Amelie |
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judith
New Member Joined: July 06 2004 Online Status: Offline Posts: 11 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 12 2005 at 5:43pm |
Amelie, I had hoped to keep out of this discussion, but I simply cannot let your post go unanswered. Mr. Galison is a gentleman not to respond more fully and I commend his restraint. Mr. Galison begins his posting by specifically stating that the offenses against him “pale in comparison” to some other crimes. He correctly states that the impulses behind all evil acts are similar, regardless of their scale. One can say that domestic abuse, for example, pales in comparison to the events of 9/11, but the impulse behind these acts are the same; the objectification and abuse of one or more human being by another. The scale of 9/11 does not lessen the damage to a battered woman or mitigate the batterer's guilt. In fact, the greatest evils always develop out of lesser ones that go unchecked. You defend Rounder and Mr. Greenburg as “simply trying to have exclusive promotion rights of the Madeleine Brand - which happens all the time in the music industry”. Are you really saying that their actions are excusable because their motivation is simple or because they happen all the time? I must say, that is idiocy. Many horrible crimes have simple motivations. Many horrible crimes happen all the time. It is neither the motivation nor the frequency of actions that make them evil, it is the means. Falsely accusing a person of a crime such as physical abuse is particularly heinous for the reasons Suzelliott explained, among many others. It can destroy a person’s professional and personal life, putting them under a shadow of suspicion and disdain for the rest of their lives. If Mr. Galison physically abused Ms. Peyroux, he should be in mandatory rehabilitation or in prison. If Mr. Greenburg falsely accused Mr. Galison of physical abuse simply to intimidate and disgrace him for the sake of profit, he should be in rehabilitation or prison and he should certainly be disbarred immediately. I don’t know if you have either a reputation or a profession, but if someone in your field falsely accused you of say, child molestation, and published this accusation amongst your peers, you would not say this allegation is “relatively true” or “relatively false". You would not say it is a “matter of perspective”. You would do everything in your power to discredit them and redeem your reputation. My goodness, you raised a fuss because Mr. Galison paraphrased one sentence of your posting. I can only imagine what you would do if someone accused you of a serious crime! Mr. Greenburg and Ms. Peyroux continue to assert that Mr. Galison is guilty of abuse, and presumably continue to spread this accusation. The only reason they would hesitate from “warning” people about Mr. Galison is that they know they will be held to account for false accusations. Rounder used this website to discredit Mr. Galison and the record you are enjoying. It is only appropriate that Mr. Galison should use the same venue to defend himself. Posting Ms. Peyroux’s correspondence is an effective way to counter Mr. Greenburg’s allegations. To me, they actually put Ms. Peyroux in a more sympathetic light as they reveal her appreciation of Mr. Galison and at least the remnants of a conscience. They also reaffirm my conviction that the accusations of abuse are entirely contrived and malicious. Madeleine’s true friends will counsel her to do the moral, honest thing, and to strive to get her out of serious trouble and disgrace, even if this requires public reprimand and embarrassment. Mr. Galison's friends will do the same. When Mr. Galison wrote “where will they stop”, he was implying the obvious and ominous. If Mr. Greenburg’s law firm and Rounder are willing to destroy< |
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willgalison
New Member Joined: April 22 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 25 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 09 2005 at 5:32am |
Amelie.
You are right. I was wrong to mention the momentous events of this past week in refernce to this discussion. I have removed that reference from my post. Despite having paraphrased your "haven't we all?" statement , all the other quotes in my posts are verbatim, and the original sources available to anyone who would iike to see them. Re Madi's emails, I will continue to counter devastating false accusations with embarrassing true facts. Finally, GYOMM would not be available at all if I had not brought Madi & co to federal court at tremendous expense to all concerned. It was only in front of the judge that Madi admitted that she was not the sole owner of GYOMM, which allowed me to find a distributor. Apart from announcing the website of documents, I will refrain from writing to this forum again unless compelled to defend or clarify my position. Thanks all. William Edited by willgalison |
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Byron
New Member Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 23 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 08 2005 at 7:05pm |
Can't really improve on or add much to Amelie's statement. Very important point that the larger evils are upon us. Energy lost here in this ongoing wrangle is lost for that larger fight. If it can't be settled out of court, best to rest the arguments until that time. We need to be alert for these larger issues. They are not coming. They are here.
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Geoff
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Amelie
Groupie Joined: July 06 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 15 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 08 2005 at 6:34pm |
William
I have total respect for you as a muscian. I love gyomm. I sympathise with your position, I recognise that in your view you are fighting the good fight. I respect the fact that in all of this - as you are trying desperately to represent your own case, get what you want and to battle against corporate giants - you have tried as far as you can to preserve in some distored way your respect for Madi. You have tried to show your continuing faith for her and seperate out in this battle the difference between her and rounder, however, you have revealed details you should never have revealed. AND as for mentioning your own law suit and the actions of rounder / herbst / lawyers etc in the same sentence as the actions of terrorists is beyond ridicule and verges on idiotic. How you can compare terrorist activities with the actions of lawyers and record companies which are simply trying to have exclusive promotion rights of the Madeleine Brand - which happens all the time in the music industry, is beyond me. It is cheap and sensationalist - poor show William. I thought you were more intelligent than this. Isn't it, also, a little presumptous to say Madi's friends in supporting her are not friends. Maybe here you were just referring to the lawyers and Rounder - but how can you say this. I guess your logic here is that your own friends supporting you in this debacle are good friends, but, Madeleine's are not - because you are right ? Is that it? Well that is an interpretation. We create our own realities and truth is relative - defined by our specific perspectives. If Slater is a true friend - why the need to so publicly air the dirt. What is the objective in this? You can acknowledge that your friends have done some reprehensible friends and in seeking to guide them advise and be frank BUT publicly denouncing somone helps no one unless you want to see someone fall. Friends let their friends fall BUT not in public - you sheild and protect and help. I am sorry, Slater may well have been balanced in recognising Madeleine's talent, but, his personal tirade - were not the words of a friend. William when I read the opening of your post I actually thought you may have said, something to the effect of due the events in London - you realise that your own legal battles pale into insignificance in the face of such barbaric acts and to gracefull bow out and stop these plaintive posts. BUT no ... and then you post personal correspondence between you and Madeleine. Will you stop at nothing here? As a muscian I support and delight in your work. I have very easily bought GYOMM and have given it to friends as gifts. I have no problem getting hold of it. If I can buy it easily - how blocked can it be. I will continue to promote in my own little way this little gem of a recording - however, I really don't want to have to be party to the ongoing wranglings that you keep exposing us to. Nor do I think it appropriate or particularly noble to continue to through mud in the manner that you have. I sincerely wish you all of the very best in your career as I do Madeleine and I sincerely hope that you are able to resolve this issue in a manner that does not end up damaging you both. Let the music play on. Warmly, Amelie Incidentally, if you had read my post carefully you will see that I did not say "haven't we all done what Madeleine has done?" I said "AND yes I am sure she had made mistakes along the way, at times treated people in a manner which isn't so great. Again |
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willgalison
New Member Joined: April 22 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 25 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 08 2005 at 3:38pm |
Dear Friends,
Although I am the person most affected by Madeleine’s actions, I fully recognize that these actions pale in comparison to crimes and injustices that devastate people’s lives every day. However there is a common denominator shared by these acts, regardless of their severity: Their perpetrators are people who are unwilling to take responsibility for there actions and to redeem themselves- who will pursue their ends despite the harm they cause others. Rounder, Greenberg and Madi have likely spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid the consequences of their actions. Where would they stop? Suzelliott’s post shows how destructive these actions can be to battered women. Anyone with brains can see that their actions damage small record companies and independent artists. Despite Geoff’s naive idealism, the only thing that will stop these people is our flawed court system. By the end of this protracted, humiliating and expensive legal process, the same facts that I have asserted for the past two years will be confirmed by a jury and become a permanent mark on the reputations of Madeleine, Rounder and their colleagues, There are fans of Madi who would believe she was innocent of any wrong doing even if she confesses to it. There are still people who maintain that OJ Simpson was innocent or that global warming does not exist. These people are “true believers” who place the myths that comfort them before the facts that stare them in the face. As the saying goes, “you are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts.” The facts are plain and available and essentially unchallenged. Madi’s colleagues largely don’t deny the allegations against them - they merely say that their actions are technically not illegal. For example, one of Greenberg’s defenses against the libel charge is that even if his accusations of physical abuse are untrue, they cannot damage my reputation because it is already so bad. Okay. but I must be a damn good harmonica player if Barbra Streisand risks her life to work with me. This is why Madeleine and her thuggish companions can’t say a thing about this case publically. Their explanations may fly in legal court, but they won’t fly in the court of public opinion and common sense. I agree with “slater”: what goes around comes around, Karma is subtle, and often takes its time, but “as you sow, so shall you reap” wasn’t uttered by a complete fool. Regardless of the outcome of the trial, Madeleine will have to live with the knowledge of how she harmed others and “sold her soul” to further her career. The tragedy is that Madi didn't have to sell her soul to become a star. Had she been honest and loyal and decent, her talent would have been at least as celebrated and she wouldn't be going through this legal and emotional nightmare. Madeleine’s “friends” who blindly support her in this situation are not friends at all. They have some other agenda and are willing to see Madi go over the waterfall with Greenberg and his gang. The people who reach out to Madi to guide her wisely are her true friends whether she likes them or not. I am proud to be in that category, along with “slater”. It is possible to admire Madeleine as a singer, love her as a person, and still acknowledge that she has done truly reprehensible things. The key is to have faith that a person will grow and learn. I have lots of faith in Madi, but little for Greenberg and Herbst and the owners of Rounder. These guys are hard-boiled. |
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Byron
New Member Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 23 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 08 2005 at 5:42am |
I've been speaking from personal experience , also. So you might want to re-check my postings.
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Geoff
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