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baranroma
New Member Joined: March 24 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 08 2005 at 4:49am |
To answer you question Amelie, yes I do. But I also
believe in a thing called reason. And it’s perfectly reasonable to think, if not proven countless times, that ‘talent’ does not necessarily go hand in hand with ‘niceness’. William and Slater (and a couple of other early posters) say they are speaking from personal experience so I think I’ll take their word over an ‘oh but aren’t we all’ (actually we are not) counter-argument in the name of ‘fairness’. But they aren’t going to make me enjoy Madi’s music less—nor anyone with talent on the receiving end of personal criticism who, by choice, plays in the public arena. |
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Byron
New Member Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 23 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 07 2005 at 8:05pm |
Well put Amelie. And a good direction for this forum. Safe vibes go out to Madi, traveling in France and England.in these dangerous times!
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Geoff
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Amelie
Groupie Joined: July 06 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 15 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 07 2005 at 4:39pm |
I am far from suggesting Madi should be promoted to sainthood. My comment was "toungue in cheek" simply using Slater's language and my comment was laced with irony. I do see how what I said could be misinterpreted.
What I am saying is that we are all multi-dimensional people, with both negative and positive aspects to our personalties (thank god) And this is what makes us human. I don't think that this site should be a place only for adoration. It should be a forum for debate and critique and there is merit in discussing every aspect of a performers music and their music. But, I do believe in fairness and presenting a balanced view. Don't you? |
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baranroma
New Member Joined: March 24 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 07 2005 at 4:08pm |
Just because Madi is a ‘great’ talent, why on earth do
you think it just to promote her to sainthood? (Poor girl, what a responsibility) By all accounts even Mozart himself was a right pain in the arse…yet no-one, at least no-one with any intelligence, thinks any less of his music for it. The trappings of public adoration; Unfortunately those that go for it (and those that adore them) need to accept the fact that their private life (and public appearances) WILL be put under a microscope—that’s just the reality of the world we live in (and the pay off for fame). I presume Madi is not so naïve that she feels she is immune from the same sort of scrutiny that confronts anyone in the public eye….or otherwise she would still be doing her thing on the streets. Edited by baranroma |
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Amelie
Groupie Joined: July 06 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 15 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 06 2005 at 4:56pm |
Slater. In idiomatic english "to slate" someone is to deride, to slander, to
"diss" someone, to talk badly about them. Well Slater - you well and truly slated her. I am wandering what your intent is here. Was it really to reveal truth? What is truth anyway? Or was it to get something off of your own chest in some way to get a little vengence for being on the receiving end of what you term as Madi's demons. You certainly shared some of your own perspectives - which are valid as far as they go - but let's face it at the end of the day they are your perspectives. Sure Madeliene has her demons, don't we all? AND yes I am sure she had made mistakes along the way, at times treated people in a manner which isn't so great. Again haven't we all? Unfortunately, the price (and the dividend) of success in the music industry is fame. And the price of fame is that everyone wants a little piece of you. Worse still everyone feels they have the right to put every aspect of your life under a microscope. The pressures must be immense. Very few of us will ever know what this is like. AND yet we are so cavalier in adding to those pressures by gossip, speculation and an insatiable apetite to want to know more. I am a great fan of Madeleine's and as a result regularly follow this website BUT I have been endlessly perplexed by the righteousness with which some members feel that they can demand to know all. As if it is a right. We commodotise the individual that we actually seek to support. Frankly I have been impressed with the manner in which Madeleine has refrained from getting embroiled in the dialogue which has unravelled in this forum. She has quite rightly remained above it not fuelling the fire and has followed due legal process. I am not doubting that some of the things you say have a basis, but, as we all know - we all are multi-dimensional beings and have many characteristics. Here you are only illuminating a fraction of Madeleine's character and as Byron's comments attest - she has a profound character and is clearly a committed and passionate young woman - who has placed her family above her career. You say that Madeleine has "a terrible rep among muscians... and that no musician believes that Madi is anything in the wrong" - can you really say this. While you may have been aware of the deal from the "get go" - you are not party to the ongoing private conversations since then or the details of other contractual agreements etc.. So are you really in a position to make these claims? William has been extremely vocal in presenting his case, but, he can hardly be called objective. Madeliene may have sown some bad stuff, however, I come back to my original point - haven't we all at some point? More to point Madeliene has also sown some really beautiful and wonderful stuff both in her personal life and professionally. I for sure am for every thankful for the little bit of beauty she has brought into my life through sharing her talent. I have listened to her interviews and in this forum we have a whole host of people who talk of a soul that has great integrity and is a joy and pleasure to be around. Even William does not attempt to deride Madeleine in the way you have - you must have an axe to grind! Perhaps, as Madeleine matures and she stays committed to the things she believes in - she will address and vanquish some of those demons and maybe then will qualify for that sainthood you talk about. | |
Byron
New Member Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 23 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 06 2005 at 4:03pm |
The woman I know would stand by her family in a time of crisis at the expense of a career jump. And could pump so much faith into a soul at low ebb that the energy of it still continues.. And thats all of my personal knowledge I wish to disclose. A wonderful singer, and a lot more.
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Geoff
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slater
New Member Joined: July 06 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1 |
Quote Reply Posted: July 06 2005 at 2:56pm |
One of the realities of life is that what goes around comes around. This concept is played out in almost every religious text and in every culture around the planet. I've known and worked with Madi for years, off and on. She is a lovely soul, but with many demons. I was on the receiving end of those demons when I worked with her, and it's a shame, since she's one of the greatest singers I've ever heard. I don't know Will apart from his playing, but everything he's said is consistent with the Madi I know. Her biggest problem is that she's a terrible bandleader and has a difficult time translating a coherent concept to a band. She needs to be guided. I'm sad that she's always been paired with jive people like Yves Beauvais, and pop-minded people like Klein. Obviously, her records are successful, but I think she could do something outside this poppy-jazz realm that would propel her higher. But aside from all that, just know that Madi has a terrible rep amongst musicians in New York. She's screwed over practically everyone she's worked with, yet no one disputes her talent. When she sings, all is OK in the world. But the other stuff makes it a drag to be around her. It's no surprise she fell off the map after Dreamland. I heard her curse out interviewers, saw her publicly humiliate promoters onstage, and other things I won't even get into. I did some gigs with her at the beginning of the GYOMM thing, and I knew the deal from the get-go. Of course, the personal element of it all didn't help. But since all that, Will's rep has only gotten better, because even if people don't know him, they know Madi, and to a person, no musician believes Madi is anything other than in the wrong in this matter. Madi has sown a lot of bad stuff, and I'm afraid that all the record sales in the world aren't going to absolve her from them. All I hope is that she takes her lumps, as we all have, and learns from this and becomes a better person. If she can become half the good person that she is a singer, she'll qualify for sainthood. |
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